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prillalar ([personal profile] prillalar) wrote2003-07-14 08:02 am

The owls are not what they seem.

I've been thinking about owls and owl post in the HP universe. How does the owl post system work?

Are the owls themselves:

  • trained
  • enchanted
  • not actually real owls

I'd go for enchanted myself, because they are really quite amazing. All you have to do to send a letter is tell your owl who you want to send it to. They do the rest.

But how do they know where to go? As if that weren't extraordinary enough, consider this:

Harry could send owl post to Sirius Black when Sirius was on the run. It would reach him regardless of where he was. So, why couldn't the ministry do the same thing? And track the owl? We know that people receive post that they don't want, so it's not like the owls only deliver letters that you want.

Also, Harry was able to send Hedwig with letters to Ron and Hermione while they were in the headquarters for the Order of the Phoenix and protected by the Fidelius Charm.

How could Hedwig have known where to deliver to? Is she not under the Charm because she's not human? If so, then, again, what's to stop enemies of the order owling to see if they can trace the owls back.

I am plagued by questions.

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[identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com 2003-07-14 09:25 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe it's carried in the "come to Hogwarts" letter.

Or their wands.

Maybe the wands are all registered.

wands

[identity profile] kormantic.livejournal.com 2003-07-14 09:41 am (UTC)(link)
Here's a question: before he gets his wand, Harry (and Neville) can do unconcious magic. And wands work even when they're broken. So why can't wizards and witches do magic without a wand? Potions and charmed items will work without them... hmmm

As for the owl question, it's a tough one, Hal. The owls also travel amazing distances overnight, so I wonder if owls can teleport, too?
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Re: wands

[identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com 2003-07-14 10:13 am (UTC)(link)
Here's a question: before he gets his wand, Harry (and Neville) can do unconcious magic. And wands work even when they're broken. So why can't wizards and witches do magic without a wand? Potions and charmed items will work without them... hmmm

I wonder if their training is so focused on using the wand as a focus/magnifier of power that they become so dependent on it that their non-wand-using magical skills atrophy.

Re: wands

[identity profile] hackthis.livejournal.com 2003-07-14 11:19 am (UTC)(link)
Here's a question: before he gets his wand, Harry (and Neville) can do unconcious magic. And wands work even when they're broken. So why can't wizards and witches do magic without a wand? Potions and charmed items will work without them... hmmm

I wonder if their training is so focused on using the wand as a focus/magnifier of power that they become so dependent on it that their non-wand-using magical skills atrophy.


I was quite wondering this myself, in point of fact. I'm re-reading the series, yet again, and in Book One Snape goes on about 'foolish-wand waving' and yet still relies on his to clean up the children's messes. You've got children getting dropped on their heads, regrowing their hair overnight, and all sorts of things with nary a wand in sight. Is a wand simply a channel for power that's already present?

Also, while on the subject of children getting *marked* by their power, has anybody come up with a plausible explaination as to why no Muggles have happened to fall through the barrier at 9 3/4 yet? I mean surely not everybody is that blind?

Are wizarding children genetically different and as such the barrier 'scans' them? Is magic genetic? If so then how do the children of Muggles become magical?

Oh dear, sorry to spam your journal, just terribly curious at this point.
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Re: wands

[identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com 2003-07-14 12:07 pm (UTC)(link)
You've got children getting dropped on their heads, regrowing their hair overnight, and all sorts of things with nary a wand in sight. Is a wand simply a channel for power that's already present?

That's my impression. Because think of all the Muggle kids who must evidence magic somehow, and you know they're not picking up their parents' wands or something.

, has anybody come up with a plausible explaination as to why no Muggles have happened to fall through the barrier at 9 3/4 yet? I mean surely not everybody is that blind?

I thought only magical folk could go through the barrier? That it'd be solid to Muggles.

Are wizarding children genetically different and as such the barrier 'scans' them? Is magic genetic? If so then how do the children of Muggles become magical?

I think it is genetic, and that mutation allows for Muggle children (perhaps with Squibs for ancestors down the line) to become magical. After all, Mrs. Black specifically uses the word *mutant* in her diatribe (which I took to mean Tonks, though my dad argues Remus is a mutant, that the werewolf curse modifies the genetics. I don't know about that), and it's an odd word to find in a magical setting.

Re: wands

[identity profile] yonmei.livejournal.com 2003-07-14 12:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought only magical folk could go through the barrier? That it'd be solid to Muggles.

Surely we see Hermione's parents on the far side of the barrier at some point? (No, not going to go back and check through all the books to find out...) But if so, then Muggles can pass through the barrier...
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Re: wands

[identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com 2003-07-14 12:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Damn, you're right.

And where do the Dursleys pick Harry up at the end of OotP, where Lupin et al are waiting?
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[identity profile] translucent.livejournal.com 2003-07-14 03:54 pm (UTC)(link)

... has anybody come up with a plausible explaination as to why no Muggles have happened to fall through the barrier at 9 3/4 yet? I mean surely not everybody is that blind?

Isn't the barrier sort of, er, a wall? No Muggles pass through it because they don't know it's there. (If Hermione's parents were spied the magical side of the banner, this is why.) Who would voluntarily run full tilt into a big solid thing?

[identity profile] cangetmad.livejournal.com 2003-07-15 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
Who would voluntarily run full tilt into a big solid thing?

Have you met any eight-year-olds?
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[identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com 2003-07-15 09:05 am (UTC)(link)
*chokes*
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:)

[identity profile] translucent.livejournal.com 2003-07-17 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)

I was going to add something about my four-year-old cousin running smack into a wall, but that would have ruined my non-point.
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[personal profile] redbird 2003-07-14 09:59 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe.

But when Harry goes to the Ministry for the first time, they inspect and record his wand, which implies that it wasn't already on file.
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[identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com 2003-07-14 10:14 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe they just wanted to make sure the wand registered to him and the wand he's carrying are one and the same?

[identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com 2003-07-14 10:25 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with this theory. I always assumed they track the wands sold at the offical wizarding shops. There is bound to be a way to get illegal wands. Shady wandmakers must make tons of galleons during war time.
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[identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com 2003-07-14 12:04 pm (UTC)(link)
*nod*

What I want to know is, who got Sirius his wand? Was it a family wand? And if so, why wasn't *that* traced? Or is it because the house is Unplottable, that even tracking won't work?

[identity profile] biascut.livejournal.com 2003-07-14 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
But doesn't Ollivander have a monopoly on wands? I bet there aren't any other wand shops in the UK...
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[identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com 2003-07-15 09:07 am (UTC)(link)
In the UK he does, apparently.

However, both Fleur's and Krum's wands came from elsewhere, right?

And yes, I think he's neutral at best and a fairly shady character. He also remembers every wand he's sold, but the question is, would he turn that information over to the MoM without being forced?

[identity profile] cangetmad.livejournal.com 2003-07-15 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
I still hold to my original point: the registration and tracking, whether it's wizards or wands, only aplies to underage wizards.

Actually, though, it's not very accurate, is it? Because Dobby's magic got "assigned" to Harry in PoA. So it's not detecting wand use, because Dobby didn't use Harry's wand. Must be "magic in an area around a tracked wizardling". Which makes it rather unfair for Harry and Hermione and others summer-holidaying in Muggle environments: presumably juvenile Weasleys just claim it was their older brothers doing the magic.
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[identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com 2003-07-15 09:08 am (UTC)(link)
I still hold to my original point: the registration and tracking, whether it's wizards or wands, only aplies to underage wizards.

Most likely, but don't you think it's possible to turn it back on after an adult becomes a wanted criminal? (Though this would not apply to Sirius, as his original wand was probably snapped.)