prillalar | SPN: Hunted

I usually get all my SPN squee out in chat with

kestrelsan but she thoughtlessly went away for the weekend.

First things first: McBeath!!! I think I missed that whole far-too-short scene because I was in shrieky happy oh-my-baby land. ♥ And Ash, oh my god. If I'm ever transported into SPN land, I'll be spending all my time in Ash's room in the roadhouse. We may call Frohike to join us.

Anyhow, the actual show. That was the lamest "big reveal" ever. Did we learn anything new? But I loved the camera angles in the opening scene, how the shots of Dean were all looking down, from Sam's eye-level. I was hoping to hear what I've thought ever since the pilot: that Sam was the one who killed his mother and Jess. Not consciously, but I think he was the one who did it, not the demon.

Dean and Ellen and their runaway kids. If the "Dean is mom" role wasn't clear enough already, that really nails it. And that's why he'll never be able to kill Sam either. Dad maybe, mom never.

Gordon is beyond awesome and I was sorry when it was clear he was going to have to be taken out of play in some way or other by the end of the episode. Here's my question: Is Sam calling the police on him better than out-right killing him? Not from a strategic point of view, but a moral one. Maybe I'm reading too much shounen manga, but it felt like a dirty trick while killing him would have given him an end that showed respect for him. (And wouldn't Gordon make a kick-ass shinigami?)

Sam -- I thought about this a lot during the epidemic episode -- Sam still thinks that he can do the job and keep a clear conscience. But Dean knows that they can't. Just doing what they have to do to keep people safe means doing things that are wrong. Dean knows they have to take that on themselves, Sam still believes they can save themselves. (And since it's North American TV, maybe Sam's right.)

And the farmboy's hair is finally looking tolerable. All in all, a great episode.

Hey, was there a new Stargate ep? I haven't been keeping track of the UK air schedule.

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Oh-em-gee I thought I was the only one who thought the demons made Sam do it, that it was in some way a manifestation of his power.

It seems so obvious to me. I don't even think the demon made Sam do it. Do you think Sam is the demon's kid, rather than John's? That would make a lot of sense; I'm just not sure the show would go there with one of the main characters.

I made a post (http://destina.livejournal.com/362862.html) about this last year; that's my theory. In comments, there are like 100 people all talking about their own theories, so the comments are interesting reading. *g*

I read that. I'm adopted, so I don't necessarily agree that the bond of brotherhood is in any way damaged if John is not Sam's actual father (although I also personally subscribe to the theory that he is, that there's a certain genetic combo and a certain geomantic/astrological combo that has to come up just so for one of these kids to be born, because if Azazel and his friends mated with human women X0,000 years ago? That DNA is in all of us by now!)

I don't think the point of the reveal was to learn anything new. I think the point was to set Sam and Dean, emotionally speaking, off in a new direction -- one where Sam's point of view has changed about what he does, what he wants, and what Dean's role in it will be. So that's where I'm at.

I'm not sure killing someone rather than ensuring they receive justice (which Sam did; Gordon did actually murder that kid) shows respect for them, but YMMV. *g*

There was a new SG-1 ep, yes. :)

I don't think the point of the reveal was to learn anything new.

You're right -- and it was a great and necessary character turning-point -- but I was all psyched up. :)

With Gordon and Sam, it's really two conflicting codes or contexts. Gordon is living by a hunter's code and so taking out that kid to prevent something bad later on is a valid choice. The needs of the many, etc. Sam is attempting to still live by society's code and so what Gordon did is murder. I think Dean is caught in the middle there. Without Sam, he'd be far more likely to be like Gordon. Sam socializes Dean. But I think that socialization makes it more difficult for Dean to do his job as a hunter.

Those that protect society are generally fated to be outside society, even if they want back in. Sam has got to learn that sometime. Dean already knows it.

Agreed. I also agree with you with Dean-as-mom. (Maybe that's why it's easier for me to write Wincest than other incest pairings. I tried Lucius/Draco and sucked at it, but I was good at Draco/Narcissa...)

Dean-as-mom is probably the reason the only SPN fic idea I had involved really, really bad wrong John/Dean.

But Dean knows that they can't. Just doing what they have to do to keep people safe means doing things that are wrong.

This actually makes me think of something I noticed in Croatoan (which I didn't watch until yesterday! Whee!) When Dean is letting the doctor out, to stay in the room with Sam (and die), he tells her the truth about them not being marshalls. Like - now, since it won't matter (he thinks), he wants to set the record straight. Reverse one of his lies, when he can't change anything else he's ever done. There's no need nor reason to tell her the truth, except for what I think is an inner moral compass of Dean's that screams at him quietly whenever he does something he knows is wrong, if necessary.

Dean says he has no conscience, and that Sam has a huge honkin' one, but I think Dean has one that he is merely so used to arguing down that it's like reflex to say he doesn't have one. But I think that Dean is still fully in touch with his inner not-a-hunter, the boy who knows what his mom would think if she saw him now, and who wishes he could have grown up normal and been a fireman and taught Sam's kids how to burp at the table. As much as Dean says he doesn't want normal, he isn't anything like Gordon - a man who truly has no morals. All Gordon has is the job, to kill evil things and possible evil things and things which could become evil later. Gordon is the man that Dean isn't, won't ever be, but that who Dean fears he might be or become.

In conclusion, Dean cute.

There's no need nor reason to tell her the truth, except for what I think is an inner moral compass of Dean's that screams at him quietly whenever he does something he knows is wrong, if necessary.

Yeah, I agree with that. I think the difference between Dean and Sam is that Dean understands he can't keep his hands clean. It doesn't mean he doesn't feel the guilt, just knows that he can't avoid being guilty.

Gordon is the man that Dean isn't, won't ever be, but that who Dean fears he might be or become.

I wonder. If he loses Sam too, I think he could go down that path.

In conclusion, Dean cute.

So true.

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