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prillalar ([personal profile] prillalar) wrote2004-07-11 12:08 am

Hareios Poter kai he tou Philosophou Lithos

This is the coolest thing I've seen all week: notes on translating Harry Potter into Ancient Greek by Andrew Wilson. If you have a Greek font installed, you'll be able to read the Greek words and phrases. (The translation isn't out til October, btw.)

He writes about the research that he did, about how he took Lucian as his stylistic model, and about how he chose some of the vocabulary. I'm particularly interested in he hamaxostoichia for "the train" since the Latin translator used the same word: "Hogwarts Express" is hamaxostichus rapidus Hogvartiensis. (I really wished there had been translator's notes in the Latin version. Why did he use the Greek term there?)

The very best, though, is when Wilson tells us how he translated proper names. For instance, Malfoy becomes Malakos -- soft, effeminate. (Draco, of course, is already a Greek name.) And Crabbe and Goyle are Karkinos (crab) and Kerkops (tailed-one, monkey-man, after the Kerkopes, two thieving brothers that Herakles captured and Zeus later turned into monkeys). I think I'll just call them Karkinos kai Kerkops from now on -- so much fun to say! All those Ks!

I could go on, but you should really just go read the article. There's also a link to an audio file of an interview he did on NPR where he reads a bit from the Quidditch (ikarosphairike) game. Oimoi! says Lee Jordan when Katie Bell takes a Bludger (rhopalosphairion) to the head.

I had already been thinking about Greek for a few days when I saw this and now the Greek-longing is on me very badly. I did my BA in Greek and Latin Language and Literature and I have 8 semesters of each language, but Greek has always been my favourite. I like Latin well enough -- and reading (or rather, translating) it gives me a nice orderly feeling in my brain, like puzzle pieces sliding together. But Greek touches me more deeply. The sounds of the words and the flow of the sentences all seem to fit in a way that Latin never did with me. Greek always seemed to become English more easily -- not that the actual process of translating was any easier, in fact it was probably harder, but the translated text was easier to express in good English.

And now I wish so very, very much that I were back at university, translating Greek with a class or by myself in the Reading Room. I think being an undergraduate is probably the most fun of anything I've ever done and I'd jump at the chance to go back and do it again.

So I dragged out my Greek lyric poetry text and translated a bit, to make myself feel better. This has nothing to do with Harry Potter and it's probably pretty loose, but here's the finished product, a poem, possibly fragmentary, by Mimnermus.

What is life, what is pleasing without golden Aphrodite?
May I die when these things are no longer pleasing to me:
Secret love, gentle gifts, and the bed.
The flowers of youth are alluring to men and women.
Then painful old age arrives, which makes a man both ugly and base,
And evil cares ever wear away at his heart,
Looking at the light of the sun does not delight him,
But he is hateful to the boys, and dishonoured by the women.
Thus the god has made old age a painful thing.

cleverthylacine: a cute little thylacine (DracoXNicolas)

[personal profile] cleverthylacine 2004-07-11 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
What's even funnier? The word in the New Testament that's usually translated as "homosexual"? is malakos. Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. JKR approved this?

[identity profile] bookshop.livejournal.com 2004-07-11 04:57 pm (UTC)(link)
*GIBBERS*

[identity profile] slinkhard.livejournal.com 2004-07-12 09:13 am (UTC)(link)
*nods wisely* Of course, we knew all along ;)

[identity profile] teneagles.livejournal.com 2004-07-11 02:15 am (UTC)(link)
(I really wished there had been translator's notes in the Latin version. Why did he use the Greek term there?)

He's used the translation listed in the Lexicon Recentis Latinitatis.

[identity profile] destina.livejournal.com 2004-07-11 02:18 am (UTC)(link)
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek. :D
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[identity profile] shezan.livejournal.com 2004-07-11 01:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I only had Latin at school (took German as a second language rather than ancient Greek when came the time to chose, two years after the first languages, in my case English and Latin) but I recall all the Greek students universally saying how much they preferred Greek to Latin.

[identity profile] mousapelli.livejournal.com 2004-07-11 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm the teaching assistant for a summer Greek class right now, i can't wait to take this article in to show them tomorrow! thanks for the heads up!

I like the way greek looks, since it's a different alphabet, but I've been doing latin so much longer that it's much easier for me, and I get frustrated with the Greek easily. My class is learning the first ten lines of the Odyssey in Greek orally, so by the end of the three weeks, we'll all be able to recite it. It does sound really cool in meter.

[identity profile] kd5mdk.livejournal.com 2004-07-11 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I am so buying this when it comes out. I did an intensive summer course in Greek, but did nothing further, so it's slipped away from me. This looks like a great opportunity to brush up.

[identity profile] kd5mdk.livejournal.com 2004-07-13 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
I have that experience with my German novels, which are by David Eddings and Tom Clancy. On the other hand, I have no formal latin and only the lightest smearing of stuff picked up, so I may well pick up that version, but am not too likely to read it.


Hmm.. Liddell and Scott, J.K. Rowling, and Smythe, all open at once. This could be fun.

[identity profile] tinderblast.livejournal.com 2004-07-12 05:43 am (UTC)(link)
Hi,

I'm just dropping in to say that Camilla Bloom mentioned a website that featured unattributed stories, and one of them was Summer Thing - http://www.angelfire.com/magic/quidditchrules/Fanfiction/summer_thing.htm

with the main website at:

http://www.angelfire.com/magic/quidditchrules/fanfiction.htm


While the person who maintains the website says she doesn't own the stories, she also doesn't offer proper recognition and I wasn't sure if you knew your work had been archived there.

-brodie

off topic, but ...

[identity profile] tinderblast.livejournal.com 2004-07-12 08:05 am (UTC)(link)
*squeals at your icon in embarrassingly high-pitched way*

I love it! Did you make it?

-brodie

Re: off topic, but ...

[identity profile] tinderblast.livejournal.com 2004-07-14 08:20 am (UTC)(link)
Every girl needs her winged monkeys ...

[identity profile] flambeau.livejournal.com 2004-07-16 10:44 am (UTC)(link)
oh, man. He went to the Caribbean with Harry Potter and Liddell & Scott. My jealousy knows no bounds.

Also am left wondering why I don't have HP in Latin. must fix!