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prillalar ([personal profile] prillalar) wrote2005-07-20 07:23 am

Tenipuri episodes 1-3 and the summer of TezuRyo

One of my myriad summer projects is to re-watch Prince of Tennis and work out all the nuances of the Tezuka-Ryoma relationship (anime canon only). To that end, I've been taking notes as I go on my various impressions. I'm not only writing about those two, but they're the main focus.

There may be some vague references to later canon. Right now, I think it's only to just after the Hyotei match.


1. A Prince Appears

I had a sudden vision of an AU where Sakuno is tragically crushed in the train doors and tragically dies and tragically doesn't appear in the rest of the series. I wish I didn't dislike her. Tragically.

Ryoma has to ask for directions to the tennis garden when the sign is right there. I imagine that since he's been living in the US, he hasn't learned a lot of kanji. I wonder how he does in school.

If Sasabe is seeded in the Under-16s and he sucks so bad, just who is playing in this tournament? Are all the good tennis players in junior high and all the high school students are weak?

Ryoma uses a move against Sasabe where the ball hits the ground and just stops dead. I don't think we ever see that again and I wonder why not. Frankly, that's as impressive as Tezuka's zero-shiki.



2. Samurai Junior

Ryoma has a perpetually cranky look in this episode, except when he's actually playing tennis. I was kind of surprised, watching this now, what a challenging look he gave Momo after just running into him. (That is, in a non-tennis situation.) And how he wouldn't even tell Ikeda his name when asked.

One of the themes of the show, I think, is how Ryoma the cocky US kid is socialized into Ryoma the cocky Japanese kid. This really points up to me how much he's changed.

Ryoma is first compared with his father in this episode.



3. Seigaku Regulars Arrive

Pan up to Tezuka, looking out of the window. Cut to Ryoma, sitting on the court fixing his shoelaces. And so it begins.

This is Tezuka's first exposure to Ryoma, though we don't know what Ryuzaki-sensei has said about him. He's trying to fix the blocks for the ranking matches, but he's having trouble.

When Tezuka goes out to the court, he finds Arai bullying Ryoma. He makes them both run laps. Ryoma doesn't protest, he doesn't even look up at Tezuka, just goes and runs his laps.

Later, Arai tries to humiliate Ryoma by making him play with a broken racquet, but, of course, Ryoma turns the tables on him. And Tezuka is watching. Tezuka puts Ryoma into the ranking matches even though first-years are not supposed to participate until the summer. And then he makes the whole club run laps.

It always seems to me that the laps are less for Arai's infraction and more for Tezuka's. Ryoma makes Tezuka break the rules.

So, the question is why? Why does Tezuka do this? Because I find Tezuka very difficult to figure out.

A large reason would be for the good of the team. Ryoma is a strong player and if they want to win, they need the best team. And he wants to see what Ryoma can do.

(And The Boy reminded me that Tezuka has to divide them evenly into blocks -- he must have had a spare slot. So why not put in the new kid?)

There's Tezuka's own history too, but don't really feel like Tezuka is connecting to Ryoma because of that. Tezuka's early talent seems like a burden to him, the way he tries to hide his full strength, the way he's bullied and injured.

I can't imagine that happening to Ryoma. He revels in his strength. He only hides it so he can reveal it later and humiliate his opponent. Tezuka hid his to try to keep things peaceful, to keep his senpais from losing face. I can't imagine Ryoma getting hurt the way Tezuka did. He just wouldn't have let himself be in that situation.

First-year Tezuka doesn't have control over the situation he's in. Ryoma is always in control.

I don't think Tezuka looked out that window and thought "mini-me!" But I do think there was something in Ryoma, his charisma perhaps, that pinged Tezuka, that made him consider Ryoma special even though he may not have wanted to.

Tezuka is always watching Ryoma. I think that says a lot.

[identity profile] danielleleigh.livejournal.com 2005-07-20 07:38 am (UTC)(link)
Now you are making me want to rewatch the entire show as well. (Even though I'm starting on Naruto dammit! That is supposed to be my summer project...)

I can't imagine that happening to Ryoma. He revels in his strength. He only hides it so he can reveal it later and humiliate his opponent.

You know, if this were any other character I'd think less of him for that. But since it is Ryoma, I think "oh yes, take that bitch!" (Um. The "bitch" being whoever has riled Ryoma up enough to want to humiliate him). Seriously, Ryoma's a good kid for the most part (he's just extraordinarily bitchy) but if you act like an ass you are pretty much going to get it back at yourself 10-fold with that kid.

Tezuka is always watching Ryoma. I think that says a lot.

Later in the series, I start to have lots of issues with how much control Tezuka tries to exert over the kid. I feel like its so OOC *because* Tezuka is a watcher (which is to say, there's that scientific principle that theorizes you change the outcome by watching it? That's pretty much Tezuka. He *doesn't* do more than that because he usually doesn't need to.)

Sometimes I think it was good Tezuka got go to Germany because Ryoma had a month or two (or however long this crack-smoking anime things 30 or 40 episodes lasts for) to actually just *be* a kid. (So, I'm a big Ryoma/Tezuka fan with some serious Tezuka-issues...)

[identity profile] darkeyedwolf.livejournal.com 2005-07-20 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
I had a sudden vision of an AU where Sakuno is tragically crushed in the train doors and tragically dies and tragically doesn't appear in the rest of the series.

Oh my god, marry me. Or at least accept a bribe to make that vision into fic.

I think Tezuka couldn't help but see himself in Ryoma, at least enough so that he gave Ryoma a shot in the ranking tournament. Powerful in his freshman year? Check. Bothered by weaker/jealous senpais? Check. Even if their attitudes didn't match -- like you said, Ryoma's cocky and Tezuka's all stoically burdened -- Tezuka must've been nagged with the thought that he could give this kid a chance, one *he* never had; maybe he saw pillar potential right from the start. His choice of opponents for Ryoma was interesting, too: Kaidoh and Inui. Determination and intelligence. Could it have been a test?
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[identity profile] ramble-corner.livejournal.com 2005-07-20 08:58 am (UTC)(link)
And then he makes the whole club run laps.

It always seems to me that the laps are less for Arai's infraction and more for Tezuka's. Ryoma makes Tezuka break the rules.


Hmm i think i once read that reasoning before in a fic and for that exact same scene. ^_^. well if two people can get that impression than it must be true *cough wishful thinking *cough
Now you got me digging for my PoT episodes so i can watch it all over again ^_^

[identity profile] biggersandwich.livejournal.com 2005-07-20 09:34 am (UTC)(link)
Are all the good tennis players in junior high and all the high school students are weak?

Well I've seen people (although I don't remember exactly who)theorize that, given how common self destructive moves seem to be (zero-shiki, Yuuta's shot-that-I-forget-the-name-of, hadoukyuu, etc), no one is actually able to play tennis. It could also be that the really brilliant players don't stay on their school tennis teams and go study somewhere else after junior high so standards do drop.

Ryoma makes Tezuka break the rules.

Do you really think so? I can only think of the rankings matches and skipping practise to play him that one time and I always assumed that the "first years don't play until after the summer" was more of a custom because it's definitely not the first time this has happened and no one really cares that Tezuka put Ryoma in (at least, not in the sense that they say "OMG! He broke the rules!").

And I'd think Tezuka doesn't exactly see Ryoma as being exactly like him in the beginning but he would probably be a lot more sensitive to (although I'm not sure if that's the right word? aware of?) bullying because he went through that and that is what he sees when he makes everyone run laps. He doesn't actually want to favour the bullied though because he feels that he can't let his feelings influence his captain-ship so he includes Ryoma in the laps. Or that what I think. He could also be using the laps as a convienient way to get everyone back on track because everyone was distracted by Ryoma's match but being made to run laps will taker their minds off it and they'll also probably be more focused later as they don't want to run more laps.
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[personal profile] branchandroot 2005-07-20 09:34 am (UTC)(link)
And then he makes the whole club run laps.

That one always struck me as very much the Japanese rendition of collective responsibility, actually. *wry* But you recall, it's exactly what Yamato does, when it's Tezuka that was the target--makes the whole club run laps, victim, troublemaker, bystanders and all.

is how Ryoma the cocky US kid is socialized into Ryoma the cocky Japanese kid.

Yes, yes, yes. Very, very much so. And that, I think, is also the key difference between Tezuka and Ryouma at this age. Tezuka played by the rules, like a good Japanese boy--one with outstanding talent trying to obey the social imperative to fit in (at least until he's endured the gauntlet long enough to have the seniority to make the rules himself, which he seems to have every expectation of doing). Ryouma doesn't seem to have any rules, to start with, beyond 'win well'. He doesn't expect support and he has no urge to fit in; I think those two are connected. And, as he's startled over and over by his new team's support of him, he starts to want to fit in, at least with them--wanting to fulfill Tezuka's expectations, if no one else's.

I think it helps a lot that they seem to have the same definition of 'win well' right from the start.

[identity profile] collyem.livejournal.com 2005-07-20 10:02 am (UTC)(link)
Hi there! Got here from the tezuryo community.

I think Ryoma and Tezuka are more similar than you say - neither reveal strength needlessly. Except a few times when Ryoma's playing bullies, he typically waits until after he's played his opponent and judged the other guy to switch to his left arm or using the twist serve. Tezuka just never had to start using his left arm against the senpais of the club.

And I'm not sure Ryoma wouldn't have been hurt if he had arrived at the club a few years earlier, when everyone was frustrated that Seigaku couldn't rise any higher. The jealousy would have been there, so what could Ryoma have done, anyway? If Ryoma had joined his father's old tennis team, only to discover nobody was any good, and moreover, that so many people were jealous of him and disliked him for it, was there anything he could have done? I kind of doubt it... it's probably he would have quit the team, too.

But, I agree Tezuka didn't think "mini-me!" (haha :D). I just can't imagine Tezuka feeling angsty-ish about his past and then sort of making Ryoma into somebody who succeed where he didn't.

Mmmm, enough of that. (Actually, I prefer not to think too hard about a crack anime like PoT, lol - I hope that didn't show in what I wrote above T_T) I'm so glad you're watching Tenipuri for TezuRyo! Does this mean that you will be writing epic TezuRyo fic? :D :D

[identity profile] bookshop.livejournal.com 2005-07-20 10:31 am (UTC)(link)
I'm at work so I can't read this now but my initial reaction to the post itself was "YAY!" so I just thought I'd share that, for starters. :D

Yay!

[identity profile] biggersandwich.livejournal.com 2005-07-20 10:32 am (UTC)(link)
Possibly...I'm also rewatching so we'll see later.

And I didn't think you did! It's just that I think that the bullying is more why he did what he did and you said it the other way round. And is it usually like that? They all run laps as a training thing but he usually only assigns punishment laps to individuals or smaller groups.

And it is!

[identity profile] collyem.livejournal.com 2005-07-20 11:01 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I meant the bit about Ryoma's playing as a response to your statement about Ryoma wanting to humiliate his opponents vs. Tezuka respecting his senpais - whoops. Actually, in the anime, I didn't think they were particularly similar (*poke* at your pretty icon :D). But in the manga, since nationals began, Tezuka has been quite snarky in a Ryoma-like way, which led me to wonder about freshman Tezuka.

[identity profile] akatonbo.livejournal.com 2005-07-20 11:40 am (UTC)(link)
I was just noting in my journal the other day, on watching ep 175, that the anime version of ichinen!Tezuka was acting more like Ryouma (i.e. snarkier) than I thought he ought.

[identity profile] akatonbo.livejournal.com 2005-07-20 11:41 am (UTC)(link)
Hee!

(Did I mention how amused I was that somebody else pulled the 'I am not right-handed!' bit?)

[identity profile] akatonbo.livejournal.com 2005-07-20 12:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Which is everyone, or at least it ought to be.

I meant I was really amused that somebody on another team pulled the same trick, though. (One of the Higa people. They haven't stuck in my head properly yet, but if I recall correctly it was the one playing Eiji.)

[identity profile] biggersandwich.livejournal.com 2005-07-20 12:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah. That makes more sense. (Although I didn't know that was a Japanese thing...not that that's surprising, I don't know a lot about Japanese culture ^^;;)

[identity profile] nanayu.livejournal.com 2005-07-21 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
x3

I love your Icon "Half Blood -- OJISAMA" XDDDD

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