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prillalar ([personal profile] prillalar) wrote2017-04-22 02:20 pm

YOI Multishipper Problems

[ Before the ramble (or vent) begins, some signal boosting:
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While working on some fic that doesn't involve any of these characters, I was listening to Steve Winwood (I'm an old) and Back In the High Life Again came on and I had a mini-breakdown over Chris/Victor, mainly from frustration that it's next to impossible to write them post-canon.

I love Yuuri/Victor but I'm a multishipper and Chris/Victor is my favourite Victor ship. (Nishigori/Yuuri is my other main ship, just to get even more impossible.) And I've never been in a fandom before where the juggernaut was so juggernaut-y and soulmate-y and canon-y that to write any other end-game pairing with either of them is nearly unthinkable.

I don't want to go canon-divergent; it's not my thing. Am I doomed to never being able to write what I want? Or is there perhaps some way to break Yuuri and Victor up post-canon that I wouldn't have to spend more than about 25% of the Chris/Victor fic dealing with? (Victor dealing with it, I mean, not showing the break-up.)

I realise I will have to sign a waiver indicating I understand no one will read this fic. And that I may also be consigned to perdition. It might be worth it.

Okay, whining over, thinking begun.
yuuago: (Yuri on Ice - Phichit)

[personal profile] yuuago 2017-04-22 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooh, I didn't know about the DW comm! Thanks for linking that.

is there perhaps some way to break Yuuri and Victor up post-canon that I wouldn't have to spend more than about 25% of the Chris/Victor fic dealing with?

Well, from my perspective - their relations, as we're shown in the show, go down rather quickly. And they don't seem to be very good at communicating. So a breakup seems like a reasonable thing to imagine happening.

As for not having to spend more than 25% of the story dealing with it - for me, it would be adequate to devote maybe a paragraph to it; say that it happened, maybe give a few details, and then move on. Setting it a couple of years after the breakup can also be useful, give things some distance. If I'm reading something for the A/C pairing, while A/B is the soulmate-y juggernaut, I'm not there for some long detailed explanation about how A/B broke up - just referring to it happening is enough. Get it over with and move on to the A/C that I opened the fic for, you know?

'Course, I don't know what you have in mind for this particular story, and I'm mostly speaking from experience with similar situations in another canon. But, yeah.
Edited 2017-04-22 22:31 (UTC)
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[personal profile] marks 2017-04-22 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Set it a year after yuuri dies, I'm sure no one at all including me would have a problem with that!
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[personal profile] inkstone 2017-04-22 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with a lot of what [personal profile] yuuago says, but I definitely understand your dilemma. I don't know that I've ever seen the juggernaut ship be so juggernauty and canony before.

On the other hand, I am a huge advocate of writing fic that isn't on the well-worn path of fandom and canon, audience be damned.
merit: (Yuri on Ice Victor)

[personal profile] merit 2017-04-23 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
I'd, probably out of laziness, probably start a fic like that when they were already broken up. START WITH THE ANGST. And the flashbacks to any arguments they had if I felt the need. Icy meetings where they try to be civil but there's a lot of allusion to the arguments, the relationship they had, the efforts they have made to move on. Enter Chris, hanging over Victor. Possibly tracing the curve of Victor's ear with his tongue.

I'm pretty terrible at OTPs. I like to see what happens when characters clash! I develop preferences, but only read one pairing??

Followed the comm! I have been meaning to get involved more in communities, be the change and all that.
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[personal profile] merit 2017-04-23 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
I loled.
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[personal profile] marks 2017-04-23 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
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[personal profile] marks 2017-04-23 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
I'm a problem-solver.
Edited 2017-04-23 00:36 (UTC)
merit: (Yuri on Ice - Yuri)

[personal profile] merit 2017-04-23 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
I settled on the ear licking. Explicit gestures, elaborate tongue motions, grinding - the possibilities are endless! especially when you want to mess with your crush's ex.

Same! I have a fandom5k fic to finish but I should be to think of something to post while angsting over plot.

That's the problem with big fandoms! I've mostly been involved in tiny book fandoms of late so that was a pleasant surprise :)
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[personal profile] merit 2017-04-23 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
Oh Yuuri. Though that would be an amusing element - who gets who after the breakup.
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[personal profile] moetushie 2017-04-23 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
I'd read it. Although, yeah, not many people would. Outside the superheated bubble of Victuuri, the Yuri!!! On Ice fandom seems to act like any other sports anime fandom. Rarepairs don't exactly do well here, I say, as I'm currently knee-deep in a WIP about a minor sports anime character.

Anyway, I love Chris/Victor and I *can* see it working, post-Yuuri, although in my hc, it would pretty far along when they're both retired and are irascible old men (for the given value of old -- I mean, in canon a 25 and 27 year old are considered over the hill, yeesh), sitting around and judging young, obviously less talented and beautiful skaters. What has the sport come to?

After all, Victor and Yuuri's grand passion fizzled out a long time ago -- eros is never meant to last! -- and Chris, as observant as ever, makes his move?

But, whatever you chose, I'm sure it would be a great story, and worth telling. Even if not many people read it?

/also hi, hope you don't mind me subscribing to you & sorry if I'm being presumptuous
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[personal profile] moetushie 2017-04-23 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
I wonder who will age better, Chris or Victor?

That's an irresistible question. Probably Victor, except for his hairline problem. Chris looks like he tans, and that's not great for the skin!
moetushie: The Daily Bugle sounds the alarm. (everything is awful)

[personal profile] moetushie 2017-04-23 03:46 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe this is why late-life Chris/Victor is NEEDED. When Victor tells Chris that wrinkles are sexier than an eerily immovable plastic-looking face, maybe Chris will believe him!

(Anonymous) 2017-04-23 05:06 am (UTC)(link)
"I need to know how and why"

hc: victor and chris used to be together, but they are young, etc. they break up over something and yuuri is victor's rebound fling. I find this to be canon compliant because (a) Chris can be interpreted as jealous over Yuuri and (b) I truly, madly, deeply don't buy it that a international star athlete would turn 27 without having a life and fun enough that a drunk loser humping his leg would turn into a revolutionary "OMG I was lost and lonely and had no inspiration and now I found you!" (which seems to be the main fanon interpretation of why they get together but which i find incredibly juvenile).

If Yuuri is Victor's rebound fling, it's normal for things between them to be very intense on Victor's part as he clings to what he imagines is happening in this new romance that was not happening between him and Chris. (It is normal for things to be intense on Yuuri's part because Yuuri is a fanboy).

It would also be normal for said rebound fling to come to an end, and for both Victor and Chris to come back together at a new stage of their professional lives and at a new level of maturity.

I am aware you mostly write short things whereas I'm essentially pitching you a novel, but you can totally drop the reader into the opening stages of the second time Chris and Victor get together and drop hints on the backstory as you go along.


(Anonymous) 2017-04-23 05:08 am (UTC)(link)
hairline problem = voting for shaved-head victor
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[personal profile] moetushie 2017-04-23 05:13 am (UTC)(link)
Nice, nice.
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[personal profile] clawdine 2017-04-23 05:56 am (UTC)(link)
I'm laughing at the dead Yuuri option. I would read that.

I honestly think Viktor would be really sad if they broke up. But all wounds heal in time and all that. Actually just imagining the awkward silence is giving me a lump in my throat. As long as everyone is happy in the end though!

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